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leprekan · Jan 11, 2008, 09:24 PM // 21:24

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Originally Posted by Yichi

Exactically the point. If this is out of the ordinary and the ordinary is common knowledge, than these players clearly exploited this fact and the punishment is justified by the EULA that each of the players agreed too when installing/signing up for guildwars.
This has nothing to do with anything posted in this thread. Why should I take into account that he plays a different game, when the game he doesn't play is the game I'm commenting on?

Again .. read my post on page 43 it describes in detail what was required to do Mallyx. It is NO different than what was done to Ferry to Duncan. There was NO logical reason for any of the 117 to think they would be banned for doing something that Anet had not banned for in the past. THOUSANDS did Duncan this way with NO repercussions. So please lose the holier than thou attitude or at the very least be accurate.

Rexion · Jan 11, 2008, 09:24 PM // 21:24

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Originally Posted by Arkantos

When she said "ferry to anywhere" she meant it quite literally. She said that when the access any outpost exploit was happening. Ferrying is not an exploit, ferrying via this guild hall bug was.

here we go, the beginning of the "tear apart" a single bit of information.

rath no more · Jan 11, 2008, 09:24 PM // 21:24

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Originally Posted by dan-the-noob

Why? This is just like saying "Go ahead kids, find another exploit. If you get caught, you'll only get a slap on the wrists and a 1 day ban. If you don't, wahey - you're living a life of pixelated luxury.

not to be rude but anet gave people the ability to get away with alot of this stuff along time ago. sure this is pretty big but still an exploit is an exploit in the end.

SirJackassIII · Jan 11, 2008, 09:27 PM // 21:27

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Originally Posted by Rexion

Yesterday, Gaile Gray informed us that 117+ people were banned due to using an exploit that would bring them to "The Ebony Citadel of Mallyx". This outpost is used as followed:

Players found out about this "hidden outpost" because someone stumbled upon it. ANet never released information about a "hidden outpost" being used for Mallyx. All that we know, as Gail Gray states, about the outpost is that it was used for testing by the Dev Team and was used by players as a quick way to kill Mallyx.

The only problem is, there was no information about this hidden outpost. ANet has never stated saying there is/was such thing as "The Ebony Citidal of Mallyx". All we know about it is that it is part of the Lore from Guild Wars history - just some random scenary. Yes it is where you fight Mallyx, but we never knew that it was an actual outpost.

The main point here is: No one knew about this "hidden outpost", so why are there 117 people that have someone managed to go into it?

If these outposts are "oh-so" hidden, then why do people know about them? Did ANet let this information out for a reason?

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Rexion

2 words: .DAT file

People knew about the MPB months before Wintersday because the skin had been implemented. Though I'm guessing most people who looked around in the .DAT file saw "Ebony Citadel" and asumed it was just the area and not an actual testing outpost.

Clait · Jan 11, 2008, 09:28 PM // 21:28

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Originally Posted by Yichi

While the mechanical aspect of it is the same, the outpost is not. One is a legit outpost that every player can access. One is an outpost that was only ever ment for developer access. So these are equal again how???

The original Urgoz town wasn't accessible to just anyone. Same is true with Mallyx. The difference is that people were banned for the later.

Kind of makes you ask the question, who that original person was. I think you could make two logical conclusions. Either that a rouge developer leaked the information about the town. Makes sense since its a test town and developers have access to it. The alternative is that the original person, did in fact hack their client and gave themselves GM rights. The point here is that it was one (or few) not many who did so. Either way, its a sticky situation. Either because Anet has a problem with certain individuals that run their game. The other being, they are not able to properly secure their files.

MetalMan · Jan 11, 2008, 09:30 PM // 21:30

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Originally Posted by dan-the-noob

Why? This is just like saying "Go ahead kids, find another exploit. If you get caught, you'll only get a slap on the wrists and a 1 day ban. If you don't, wahey - you're living a life of pixelated luxury.

Let me go back to the glitch where people could go anywhere in seconds.

MANY took advantage and make a LOT of cash from that, using the hack to their advantage. I had one person who used to be on my friends list, bragging he made 70k in a few hours from it. I immediatly took him off my friends list - i don't like being associated with people like that.

I saw him ingame only a few days ago.

Banned? No
Temp Banned? No

This is what i'm trying to say - they made money from a hack, yes, but they themselves did not do the hacking.

Maybe give them 2 weeks temp ban, but a perma ban? Save that for the hackers themselves.

SolidShadow · Jan 11, 2008, 09:32 PM // 21:32

when some one tells you how to earn alot of cash and atleast 100 other ppl are doing it, does it make you wrong?

There have been alot of these bugs around since start of the game.

when ectos accidently appear at 100gold at the merchant the whole community is buying em also.

the point is , you can judge these things cause both sides are right and wrong, picking the easy way of banning there accounts i cant understand.

Only reason for banning em permanently is waiting till they got the situation under control, then unbanning again.

pablo24 · Jan 11, 2008, 09:32 PM // 21:32

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Originally Posted by SirJackassIII

2 words: .DAT file

People knew about the MPB months before Wintersday because the skin had been implemented. Though I'm guessing most people who looked around in the .DAT file saw "Ebony Citadel" and asumed it was just the area and not an actual testing outpost.

The exploit didn't involve editing the .DAT file.

Yichi · Jan 11, 2008, 09:33 PM // 21:33

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Originally Posted by Clait

The original Urgoz town wasn't accessible to just anyone. Same is true with Mallyx. The difference is that people were banned for the later.

The origional urgoz town was available, provided you knew someone who was in controll of the town. The mallyx town isn't actualyl a town/outpost. huge difference.

Drop of Fear · Jan 11, 2008, 09:33 PM // 21:33

despite this wasnt a bug but a client hack ^
and ye i would have banned all the exploiters starting with the first little useless exploit.

SirJackassIII · Jan 11, 2008, 09:33 PM // 21:33

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Originally Posted by Clait

The original Urgoz town wasn't accessible to just anyone. Same is true with Mallyx. The difference is that people were banned for the later.

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You're comparing abusing an exploit that cuts the time for the Elite mission by 90% to players allowing others to actually have access to the Elite mission at the time the entire concept of it was completely flawed. Right...

Clait · Jan 11, 2008, 09:34 PM // 21:34

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Originally Posted by rath no more

i dont know anything about this personally but i thought i heard here that that exploit lets you get past the other 4? and your fighting cronies with duncan? not so diff after all if what i heard was true.

Yes, with the duncan trick you could have someone that had done the quests run you party to the final part of the quest. With the mallyx trick, you still had to complete the 4 overlord quests to even access the town.

rath no more · Jan 11, 2008, 09:35 PM // 21:35

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Originally Posted by Yichi

The origional urgoz town was available, provided you knew someone who was in controll of the town. The mallyx town isn't actualyl a town/outpost. huge difference.

ya but from what was told your not actually going to the outpost, you leave mallyx go guild leave guild and this takes you there. its not like somone actuallyhacked to get there they found it out on thier own. im not sayin this makes it right but perm ban ouchies lol.. alot of people woulda stayed away if they even thought this could get them banned forever.

Yichi · Jan 11, 2008, 09:36 PM // 21:36

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Originally Posted by leprekan

Again .. read my post on page 43 it describes in detail what was required to do Mallyx. It is NO different than what was done to Ferry to Duncan. There was NO logical reason for any of the 117 to think they would be banned for doing something that Anet had not banned for in the past. THOUSANDS did Duncan this way with NO repercussions. So please lose the holier than thou attitude or at the very least be accurate.

again re-read what I wrote. I never said that it was not an exploit. The difference here is that it is known to be common knowledge that there is no such outpost as The Ebon Citadel of Mallyx that exists in the current form of the game as being accessable by the players. Otherwise this outpost would have been found long before these 117 people decided to use it.

BlackSephir · Jan 11, 2008, 09:37 PM // 21:37

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Originally Posted by Venus Anu

By making one mistake a fantastic PERSON and player like this guy here will no longer be among the friends he made here.

Wow, that's sad. A FANTASTIC person I've never met used an exploit against EULA and, rightfuly, got banned.
I wonder who'll play these 117 people in the movie- GW: Drama.

Clait · Jan 11, 2008, 09:37 PM // 21:37

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Originally Posted by lyra_song

Anet banning game exploiters seems like good marketing to me.

Protecting the game seems an admirable trait.

Banning people that devote their lives to guild wars, I beg to differ. If anet had a just standard of why person A is banned and why person B isn't, then perhaps the statement would have weight.

rath no more · Jan 11, 2008, 09:37 PM // 21:37

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Originally Posted by Clait

Yes, with the duncan trick you could have someone that had done the quests run you party to the final part of the quest. With the mallyx trick, you still had to complete the 4 overlord quests to even access the town.

truth lol
and you also have to work on titles to have any chance of success but hey thats not the point lol

leprekan · Jan 11, 2008, 09:38 PM // 21:38

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Originally Posted by pablo24

The exploit didn't involve editing the .DAT file.

Pathetic thing is it wasn't any more an exploit than the Duncan ferry. Thousands did that yet nobody was banned. Was the same mechanic as any ferry in the game no more no less. The community is being rather harsh in their judgement considering MANY here did the Duncan ferry and were not banned. For those arguing it was anything other than a ferry read my post on 43 it gives blow by blow what was required to ferry there. NOTHING SINISTER.

Rocky Raccoon · Jan 11, 2008, 09:39 PM // 21:39

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Originally Posted by Clait

I am not obligated to buy their next expansion or GW2. People vote with their dollars. People also have a tendency to tell others why or why not to buy a product. Its called Viral Marketing. This kind of situation is just bad publicity for Anet.

Banning people for exploiting a game is bad? I feel a majority of people would think that is a good thing.

~ Dan ~ · Jan 11, 2008, 09:39 PM // 21:39

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Originally Posted by Clait

Banning people that devote their lives to guild wars, I beg to differ.

Why should 3000 hours make up for the fact they exploited the game????? Who cares how long they've played. Who cares how many titles they have, or what their hair colour is. They exploited it. They got banned. Good job.